"贼仁者谓之'贼',贼义者谓之'残'.残贼之人,谓之'一夫'.闻诛一夫纣矣,未闻弑君也.


Above is another Meng Zi teaching.
"贼仁者谓之'贼 translates rulers that have no mercy,no love,no compassion towards fellow human beings,are called robbers.

贼义者谓之'残 translates rulers that have no sense of right or wrong,always do evil things,dark things,always plotting behind door,hiding behind excuses,never offfer help when others are in troubles,rulers who know nothing about 义,are called Savages.

残贼之人,谓之'一夫 translate rulers who are both robbers and savages are called dictators.

闻诛一夫纣矣,未闻弑君也.translates: 纣 was the most notorious King in Chinese history.If any ruler,or emperor was called a 纣 ,would be the infamous compliment to the extreme.Meng Zi said: I have heard of 纣 being overthrown,being killed,yet have not heard of any good and rightous emperor being murdered.

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春秋中文社区» 历史回声 » 大话明清 » [原创] 满清断绝华夏和西方的文化交流是中国在近代全面落后的根本原因

The severing of the cultural exchange between Chong Hua and the western world,is the fundamantal reasons of the backward of CHINA in modren times.

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满清入关以后，满清皇帝虽然礼遇传教士，鼓励对西欧输出儒学，但是却禁止本国人民了解西方文明。
After Manchu stepped onto the southern part of the Great Wall,even though the Manchurian Emperor treated the western missionary with respect,encouraged the export of Confucius Teaching into western Europe,but in turn prohibitd her own civilians to understand western culture.

这不仅仅是因为满清皇帝意识到了西方文明对自己皇权的威胁，更重要的是满清的皇权因为有旗人军事和官僚集团支撑，能够通过无限扩大到民间的文字狱，将社会舆论的引导权从文人手中夺到自己的手里，由此皇权就有能力阻止中国向西方学习和平等地交流，使华夏文明只输出不输入。
Manchu Emperors realized that western culture is a threat towards it's own imperial authority,but most importantly,the Manchulian imperial authority had the protection and support from Manchulian millitary and bureaucrat,so that the Emperors were able to impose "word prison" into every corner of the society,resulting in the inability of the society's intellectuals to form or conduct public opinions,that means only the emperors can "create" public opinions,thus the imperial authority was able to stop CHINA 's learning from the WEST,and exchange with the west on even ground,the end result being Chong Hua culture could only export but no import.

西方文明本来是和华夏文明互补和平等的，西方文明需要华夏文明的平等和仁爱来反抗他们的等级压迫；华夏文明需要西方文明的公民意识和宗教来对反抗我们的王神和一的皇权。
Originally,western culture and Chong Hua culture were on even par and enriching each other.Equality,humanity and charity,all these qualities from Chong Hua culture,were absorbed into the western culture to counteract their own class suppression;whereas westerner's awareness of citizen's obligations and its religion,were needed by Chong Hua culture to counteract our own God-King as one imperial authority.


西方文明通过和华夏文明交流实现了自己的现代化，可是华夏文明中的人文精神却被满清扼杀了，并且还全面阻止了华夏文明向西方学习。这使华夏文明丧失了通过与西方交流，实现自身升级现代化的机会，满清不仅导致了中国在近代的全面落后，而且还阻碍了西方文明和华夏文明的全面融合。

Through the exchange with Chong Hua culture,the western culture was finally modernised,but Manchu imperial authority,not satisfied with strangling our spirit of humanity,went on to impose a complete stop on the Chong Hua culture's learning grom the west.The oppotunity to be upgraded and modernised,through the exchange with western culture,was lost.The Manchu Dynasty,not only was the cause of the full-scale backward of China in the modern time,also impede the full joinijg of western and Chong Hua culture.

下面我们就来说说满清的无限扩大到民间的文字狱的效果。

由于文字狱扩大到了民间文人，使民间独立修史成为不可能，这就使满清皇帝能够将社会舆论权夺到自己手中，满清皇帝们便可以放心大胆地胡编乱造了。之所以满清皇帝可以搞长达150年的扩大到民间的文字狱，是因为他们有绝对依附于他的旗人军事和官僚集团。

The end results of the unlimited expansion of "word prison"into the the civilian society by the Manchu.
Because "word prison"was expanded into the civilian intellectuals,the society's indepandent recording of history has become impossible,thus the Manchu Emperors were able to control the public voice,and boldly said and wrote whatever they like.Why was Manchu emperors were able to make this "word prison"to last 150 years(Manchu Dynasty lasted 300 plus years),the reason being they had the complete support of the Manchu military and the bloc of Manchu bureaucrate .


普通汉族王朝的皇帝的统治需要依靠官员，而汉族王朝的官员的来源是什么呢？就是来自于民间的文人。所以汉族王朝的皇帝一方面依靠自己的“天子”身份（神权背景）压制文人，但另一方面却不得不依靠这些文人。所以，明朝的文字狱只搞了30年就不敢干了，而且还不敢杀民间的文人。明朝皇帝如果真的杀光了有社会责任感的文人，谁来帮他管理国家呢？

The ruling of emperors of Han ethnic required bureaucrate,which in turn came from the society's intellectuals.The fact that the emperors of Han ethnic were "son of heaven",and this God-given-authority was used to suppress and control the intellectuals,on the other hand,the emperors depanded on these intellectuals.That was why,the Ming dynasty's "word prison" only lasted for 30 years, not only Ming dynasty dared not continue the "word prison",they dared not murder the intellectuals.If all the intellectuals with a social responsive heart,were killed by the Ming emperors,who would to left to manage and run the country?

满清则不同，它所依靠的是旗人军事和官僚集团，不是来自于民间的文人官僚集团。旗人还掌握绝对的军事权力，一方面他手上有足够的暴力（旗人军事集团）可以搞无限扩大到民间的文字狱；另一方面他也不需要依靠汉族文人官僚集团治国（依靠旗人官僚集团），杀光了汉族有社会责任感的文人也不会动摇他们的统治，反而使他们的统治更巩固。这样，他就可以对全社会的知识分子大开杀戒了。
Manchu dynasty was different,it relyed on the Manchurian military and manchurian bureaucrate bloc.Manchurian commanded absolute military power,on one hand they were able to impose "word prison" onto the society,backed up by ample violence;on the other hand, bureaucrate of Han ethnic were not needed to manage the country,to kill off all the Han intellectuals with a social responsive heart,would not harm their ruling,on the contrary,would only strenghen their ruling.This way,they could kill off all the intellectuals of the society.

从中明开始的思想解放和与西方的交流无疑对皇权是极大的挑战，满清皇帝们个个精明强干，对此认识很深，绝对依附于皇权的旗人军事和官僚集团使他们有能力扼杀思想解放和禁绝于西方交流。

The liberal thinking intellectuals of Ming dynasty and the resulting cultural exchange with the west,pose a huge challenge towards the imperial authority,the shrewd and powerful emperors knew it all along,they could stop the liberal thinking at the same time prohibit the cultural exchange wiyh the west.

明朝的文字狱和满清文字狱对社会的影响截然相反。

明朝的文字狱非但没有让文人们甘心当皇权的奴才，反而造成了文人和官僚与皇权的对立情绪，这为中明以后的思想解放和“非君”打下了伏笔。也正是因为明朝的文人们看到了传统华夏文明中的弊病在于王神合一的皇权，才会有人提出“天子失官，学在西夷”。

Though both Ming and Manchu dynasty had "word prison",but it's effect on the society was entirely opposite.
Not only the Ming's intellectuals did not willingly become the empeoror's minion, on the contrary,the intellectuals and bureaucrate were taking up position to oppose the imperial authority,resulting in the liberal thinking and the "say no to the emperor" movement during Middle Ming.
满清的文字狱做到了让文人们甘心当皇权的奴才，使整个社会死气沉沉。被外国人暴打了一顿以后，一句“放眼看世界”居然能被封为思想家。殊不知300年明朝的文人们早就放眼看世界了，不但放眼看世界，还要主动向世界学习，所谓“天子失官，学在西夷”。

The Manchurian "word prison" had achieved it's goal,turning intellectuals into willingly minions of imperial authority,the whole society was enveloped in the smell of death.Foreigners came and gave him a good bash,only one phrase "open eyes to look at the world",was enough to be crowned as master of thought.Long time ago,during Ming dynasty,intellectuals have been "looking at the world",not only that,they had actively learned from the world,meaning "If the emperor has lost the support of the bureaucrate,he should learn from the western people.

明朝的文字狱对中国社会思想和文化的发展相当于疫苗的作用，肌体暂时有些不适反应，但接下来的却是对毒素的顽强的抵抗力。满清的文字狱对中国社会思想和文化的发展相当于病毒的作用，让华夏社会的思想和文化彻底走向畸形了。大家知道疫苗就是毒性大大减弱的病毒，两者在质上是相同的，区别在于毒性这个量上，可是它们对于一个正常人的肌体的作用却是截然相反的。

To China's social thinking and the development of culture,the Ming's "word prison" acted as a vaccine,the body may have some uneasy reactions,but a strong and persistant reaction against the virus is kicking in.Wheras the Manchu's "word prison"acted as a virus,and completely deformed Chong Hua's social thinking and culture.We all know that vaccine is actually weak form of virus,basically they are the same,the difference is in the degree of virulence,yet causing opposite results on a normal body.




两朝文字狱对社会的不同作用，更体现在对华夏文明中人文精神的扼杀上。

The different effects by the "word prison"of Ming and Manchu ,is more profoundly shown on the strangling of the spirit of hamanity of Chong Hua culture.

什么叫人文精神？就是人不同于动物的文明精神。动物学家D.莫利斯的《裸猿》发表以后震惊全世界。几乎所有社会性动物都绝对地屈服于本群体中强者和暴力。比如，弱的猿猴会时刻强烈地表达对强的猿猴的从属和依附关系，比如在强的猿猴面前匍匐在地，主动撅起屁股让强的猿猴鸡奸（雄性），由此它们可以活的好一些。

What is the spirit of humanity?It's the cultural spirit that make us different from animals.The publication of the book "Naked Ape",by zoologist D.Morris,shook the world.Nearly all the social animals will absolutely submit to own group's strongest and most powerful and violent.For example,the weaker monkeys will clearly and openly express it's dependency and belonging towards the stronger monkeys,for example,go down low on the ground on all four,stick up the bum high enough in the air to be raped by stronger monkeys (by the anus),so that they can live a better life.


而这些和人类社会的等级制度殊途同归，尤其是和满人的主奴依附关系有着异曲同工之妙。所以动物学家D.莫利斯认为人类不过是没有长毛的猿猴——裸猿。西方现代文明产生不过300多年，但人类从此摆脱了弱者对强者的强烈的从属和依附，摆脱了对暴力的崇拜和恐惧。因此，所谓人文精神就是人类群体中的大多数不惧怕暴力的威胁和平等地看待弱者的文明精神。

This sociobiological theories of rape,is similiar to human society's class system,especially readily comparable to the Manchurian's master-slave relationship.That is why zoologist D.Morris reckoned that human is in fact monkeys and apes with no hair---Naked Apes.Modern western civilization as you and me know,is about 300 years,but human had since shook off the deep belonging and depandency of the weak towards the strong,shook off the worship and fear towards violence. For this reason,so called spirity of humanity ,means that majority of human,not afraid of the threat of violence anymore,and had since treat weaker fellow human with equality.

明朝皇帝对大臣的暴行不是奴性，是权势和暴力。相对于皇帝们的权势和暴力，文人们能够前赴后继不向这种暴力和权势屈服就是我们华夏文明的人文精神，更重要的是这种不向皇权暴力屈服的人文精神在明代是被社会认可的，所以才会有那么多的文人前赴后继。除了不惧怕暴力的威胁，平等的看待社会中弱者也是一个重要的方面。在这个方面，传统华夏文明做得不好，但还是有对弱者施以仁爱的方面。




可是到了满清呢？满人们对主子们的依附和献媚，汉人当奴才而不得，更为严重的是整个社会以当奴才为荣（争相入旗），所有文人全都成了皇权暴力下的狗奴才。也就是汉文明中不向强权和暴力屈服的人文精神彻底没有了。保留的都是对“圣君”的歌颂、对暴力的恐惧、对自己同胞的冷漠，原有的汉族知识分子的“为天地立心，为生民立命，为往圣继绝学，为万世开太平”的社会责任感没有了，有的只是对统治者肉麻的吹捧。被保留和发展的这些不是人文精神而是裸猿的奴性！！！

In Manchu time,its people dependance and ass-kissing towards the rulers,Han all tried their best to become 奴才= minion ,much much more serious was the fact the whole society glorify the becoming of minion(all try to turn into banner people)all the intellectuals transformed themself into doggy minions, 奴才 ,dogs,animal.The spirit of civility of Han culture,the option of saying NO to violence and ruthless authority was extinguished completely.What remained was only the praise towards the "sacred emperor",the fear of violence,the cold and indifference towards own race,"To establish heart of Sky and Earth,to look after the livelihood of common people,To continue the teaching of Confucius-Meng Zi,To bring about 10,000 generations of PEACE.",this kind of ideals have all gone up in smoke,what was left was the shamless and disgusting ass-kissing towards the rulers.What was reserved and developed is not the spirit of civility,but the animalistic of Naked Apes minionism.




传统汉文明不是现代文明，自然其中的人文精神和奴性兼而有之。汉文明发展自己的人文精神，淡化自己的奴性，需要引进西方文明的契约、法治观念。可是满清把汉文明中人文精神全部泯灭了，使原有的奴性恶性膨胀，同时禁绝了华夏和西方的文化交流。华夏不能与西方文明融合实现自身的现代化，并且自己的人文精神还退化了，由此中国在近代全面落后于西方也就成为了历史的必然。

The traditional Han civilization,different from modern civilization,is a mixture of spirit of humanity and minion philosophy.For the further development of Han civilization,and to reduce it's content of minion philosophy,it definitely needs to import concepts of contract and rule by law.The Manchu rulers had suceeded in the vanishing of Han's spirit of humanity,and viciously expanding of Han's minion philosophy,at the same time,the Manchu prohibit the interact of culture between Chong Hua and the west.Chong Hua civilization was prevented to merge with the west ,thus it's modernisation was stopped,moreover,it's own spirit of humanity had degenerated.We have thus reached the historical conclusion: China's falling behind of the west is unpreventable.

作者：遥远的净土　回复日期：2008-7-21　3:44:37　
　　　　刀客之歌（原《游击队之歌》改编）
This post is one that I copy n paste from www.kdnet.com.cn

　游击队之歌 ,The Song of the guerrilla, is a very famous mainland chinese song in the 60s,it was a theme song in one of those revolutionary movie,millions of older mainland Chinese grew up with song during their childhood.

The following is an adaptation of The Song of the guerrilla
　　　　　
　　　　　　我们都是快刀手
Our knifes are faster than lightning

　　　　　　每一个刀光点燃一个希望
Every shining blade sparks one more desire

　　　　　　我们都是热血儿呀
Our blood is hot and boiling

　　　　　　哪怕那楼高防卫森
Spit at the tall police building high security

　　　　　　在这无理的社会里
In this ruthless lawless society

　　　　　　无门申诉只好自己动手
Take law into our hand because nowhere to plead

　　　　　　在这辽阔的大地上
On this vast n broad motherland

　　　　　　有我们无数的杨刀客
Yang knifeman are millions n millions indeed
　　　　　　
　　　　　　虽有吃虽有穿
We all have food we all have clothes

　　　　　　尊严怎能任践踏呀
But respect cannot be under others's feet

　　　　　　没有枪没有炮
No gun or no cannon

　　　　　　家家有菜刀
Choppin knife can still be user to chop meat

　　　　　　和谐社会还遥远呀
Harmonious society too far away

　　　　　　还需要无数悲歌来唤醒
Millions of us will sing millions songs of tragdies

　　　　　　自古燕赵多壮士呀
Heroic warriorrs abundant in these countries

　　　　　　血染淞江唤不归
Lets blood stain Sung River is our destiny

[转贴]杨佳者，京师皇城根人也。
文章提交者：心止若水 加帖在 猫眼看人 【凯迪网络】 http://www.kdnet.net

杨佳者，京师皇城根人也。少文静，好读书，其父赞曰：吾儿好读书，懂事明理。

Yang Jia, a Beijing local.He was quiet with mild manner when young,liked to read a lot,his dad used to be proud of him :" My son really like to read,a clever and understanding boy"

及少长，父母离异，佳闷闷不乐，性情日见孤僻，无业谋生，乃终日游走网络江湖。
When he grew up a bit,Jia become unhappy because his parent divorced,developed into unsociable,could not find a steady job,spent a lot of time surfing internet.

和谐年，佳游玩至海上松江府，力乏，租车代步。不意有捕快欲凑捕盗指标，竟诬以盗车，捕而罚之。
On the year of harmony,Jia went to tour Shanghai,got tired,went to hire a bicycle.Unthinkable though it seems,because of unfulfilled quota on orders to arrest,local police falsely accused Jia of stealling bicycle,arrested him and fined him.
佳以清白自许，至公堂不跪，昂昂然而辩之。然捕快衙役不听其辩，拘之辱之，并施杀威棒一百。
Jia was innocent,so he refused to kneel,stood tall and argue for his own defence.Police refused to accept his arguments,threw him into jail and tortured him,gave him 100 flogs of the big stick.
佳忿极，乃择七月一日吾朝吉日，于衙门外燃火，乘乱突入禁中，拔刀砍杀，如入无人之境，当场斫翻十余人，计六死四伤。力竭受缚，犹目炯炯不惧，曰：怨气荡然，死无憾矣。
Jia was so angry,he picked 1-July (CCP birthday) ,started a fire in front of police station,then entered the police complex,slashed and killed with a knife,as if it is no-man's-land,he floored more than 10 persons,resulted in 10 deaths and 4 injured.Eventually he got tired,so was rounded up by police,still with gleaming eyes,showing no fear,and said" My resentment being vented, I can face death with no regret."

事发，朝野震惊。小民皆窃窃私议，官府且不自保，焉能护吾等乎？

After the incidence was disclosed, the whole country was shocked.Ordinary folks wispered to each other,even government are defenceless,can you expect them to protect us ?

初，佳一路杀入，遇女官人则不犯。野史曰，此为念母抚育恩之故。谬也。盖佳于公堂受辱并领杀威棒时，有女官人劝众衙役莫如此，虽劝而不止，然佳心存感激焉，故不犯。

One interesting is,Jia did not attack any female police officers.Some rumors tried to explain by saying because Jia was raised by mother alone,so he did not attacked females.That was simply not true.It was because when Jia was tortured,there was female police tried to stop others from doing so,but failed,that was why Jia did not attack female officers.

太史公曰：性刚烈如杨佳者，不惧死而惧受辱，一朝受辱，必流血百步，伏尸数人。捕快衙役如遇此辈，宜诱导之而不可威逼之。又曰：所谓和谐，在政通人和，劝恶从善，化戟为犁。至若诬人为盗，逼民造反，欲谋和谐，无异缘木求鱼也。

The official history recorder,Tai-xi-kung said: "Yang Jia,a man of steel-like character,not afraid of death,but refused to be insulted.Once anyone insulted him,there will be blood within 100 steps,dead bodies around.When police encounter people with such character,it is better to talk softly to him,instead of using force to subdue."
Tai-xi-kung said again:"What is a harmonious society? it is in fair politic,in people feeling happy and safe,it is to turn evil people to make good,it is to turn sword into plough.Instead of doing the right things,goevrnment accuse innocent people as thieves,force plain folks into rebellion,and still seeking harmonious society,might as well climb up a tree to find fish.

奥运和杀警案 挑动京沪瑜亮情节
Olympic and police-being-slayed,stir up uneasy feelings between Beijing and Shanghai　

2008-07-14 中国时报 徐尚礼／上海报导

China Times Su Shang Le reports from Shanghai

　北京举行奥运及北京人杨佳在上海杀警案再次挑起京沪瑜亮情节。昨两地网民相互叫骂到了口不择言地步。

The fact that Beijing stage olympic,and Yang Jia,being Beijing local,stabbed a numbers of Shanghai policemen to death,has again stired up uneasy feelings between Beijing and Shanghai.The swearing and cursing between netizens from these two rivaling cities has gone a bit out of hand.

　上海闸北分局本月一日遭来自北京的杨佳闯入并杀死六名警察后，许多北京人对上海警方竟然称中国首都百姓为「外地人」很不爽。近日，北京报纸还反驳上海警方指称杨佳「个性孤癖」，说杨佳「乘巴士会主动让座」。

On 1-July,Yang Jia,a Beijing local,went into Shanghai Jah-bei police building and stabbed six policemen to death; Shanghai police not only called Yang Jia a “outsider”,also claimed that Yang is a “queer kind of guy”.Beijing newspaper retorte that Yang “would offer his seat to others in a bus”,and many Beijing citizens are not happy that Shanghai police calling national capital’s citizen an “outsider”

　昨天大陆一知名网路论坛有一被认为是来自上海网民，在网上质疑北京空气污浊不适合办奥运，立即引发激烈论战。

Yesterday,on one mainland famous internet forum,a supposed to be from Shanghai netizen,made the accusation that Beijing’s polluted air is not suitable for olympic events.It immediately sparks a fierce volley of verbal exchange.

　一北京网民说，「北京的奥运会跟你们有关系吗？不就是没在你家办吗？一群SB就欠猛人捅，多捅你们几个就好了，黄埔江的水都给你们喝成脑残了」。

One Beijing netizen said:”What has Beijing Olympic got to do with you guys ? Just because it is not being staged in your home town ? A bunch of SB,you need to be stabbed by real macho men,should have stabbed a few more,the water from Huang Pu Jiang has turned you lots into brain-deaths.”

　另一「最近我们北京男人真是威啊」帖子说「出了个杨大侠，单刀赴会杀了六个上海警察。我们北京男人狠狠出了口恶气。这几年被上海小男人姚明、刘翔等压得喘不过气来了，建议大赦杨大侠，选他为北京政协委员」。

Another netizen:”Recently us Beijing men really are very proud of ourself.Hero Yang,one of us,killed six Shanghai policemen with a single blade.What a beautiful and sweet feeling of revenge.This few years,we are sick of petty Shanghai men the like of Yao Ming and Liu Xiang. I suggest full pardon for Hero Yang,and vote him into the central government.”

Sometimes between 30-July and 1-August,the great China fire wall has opened a small window,Chinese netizens are given access to BBC(mandarin),www.rfa.org/mandarin,wikipedia,etc.
Followings are some of the posts on Strong Nation Forum at www.people.com.cn,a CCP official web site.

反动 :translate (1)senile-minded (2)reactionary.For readers not familiar with CCP terminology,反动 was used extensively in the past on anyone or anything the CCP disliked.Once 反动 was applied,heavy penalty usually followed,sometimes death penalty.

On here my prefered choice is senile-minded.


对于反动网站或不反动网站,其实没有根本的界限.只要报道属实.反之,若不属实,任你的谎言说得再好,人民也当你放屁. ( 官人我还要6次 08-08-01 21:58:38 ) 0字 ( 0/168/0 )

About senile-minded or not senile-minded web sites,there isn't any basic line of division.All we want is those reportings are factual.On the contrary,if the reportings are non-factual,no matter how beautiful your lies are,folks will just treat them like farts.


. 解网天也塌不下来。 ( 天下公平 08-08-01 21:54:22 ) 0字 ( 0/21/1 )
The sky will not fall down once the internet is opened.

# 反动的就是新鲜一阵。只要真正把工作落实，老百姓明白了也能体谅，那些就逐渐失去市场了。 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:57:35 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )

Senile-minded thing's freshness is only momentarily.As long as we do our jobs well,ordinary folks understand,and appreciate,they will lose their appeals.


. 老夫强烈建议，封闭反动网站，这不是在乱我大清朝纲吗？ ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:47:22 ) 0字 ( 0/70/1 )

I strongly propose,block out all those senile-minded web sites,it is disrupting our Manchu Dynasty's imperial rule!

看BBC或上BBC中文网，真是一种美的享受啊，人家也没那些无聊的寿桃 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:46:37 ) 0字 ( 0/140/1 )

Look at BBC or BBC(mandarin),really enjoy it's beauty,at least they don't have those boring female bodies.

# 大牛粪已经彻底做了资产阶级的俘虏,哈哈 ( 傀儡的主人o 08-08-01 21:49:13 ) 0字 ( 0/10/0 )

Big cow excrement has absolutely become the prisoner-of-war of the capitalists,HAHA.


老夫断言，奥运后那些反动网站统统要封闭！当然了，上反动网站的网友不定要腔毙！ ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:44:18 ) 0字 ( 0/68/1 )
# 反动的需要封吗？知道反动的就没有市场了。全放也无所谓 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:46:21 ) 0字 ( 0/1/0 )

I swear,after olympic,all those senile-minded web sites will be blocked off! Of course,those who have visited seniled-minded web sites may be executed by firing squads!

1. 罗格帮大陆同胞推开了封闭的大门.国人看到不一样的声音. ( 一襟晚照 08-08-01 21:42:02 ) 0字 ( 0/51/0 )

Rogue(IOC chairman) helps mainland folks open the closed door,lets us citizens see and listen to different voices.

为何人们觉得FD网站说真话,CCTV说假话？ ( 马虎PK2 08-08-01 21:41:44 ) 0字 ( 0/95/3 )

Why people think foreign web sites are telling the truth,CCTV telling lies?

# 假话说上千百变也就成了真话。 ( 东南剑侠傲神州 08-08-01 21:48:36 ) 59字 ( 0/5/0 )

Lies if been repeated ten of thousands of times will become the truth.


. 其实早就应当解封，那些网站都有电台做支撑，封网根本就无效，一个短波收音机就啥都听了，封人家网岂不是掩耳盗铃？ ( 依旧桃 08-08-01 21:36:55 ) 0字 ( 0/32/1 )

The fact is it should have been done long time ago,those web sites are all supported by short wave radio stations,it is basically useless to block the net,just a short wave radio one can listen to whatever you desire,to block others net is just like wearing ear-muff while stealing ringing bells ?
# 甚么“根本无效”？封些总少些嘛！再说现在听话匣子的人也少了。 ( 山妖 08-08-01 21:49:20 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )

What "basically useless" ?To block a bit is better than no block at all!Afterall not many people still listen to short wave anymore.

必必西太反动了，居然开了个中文网页，而且能查到以前的新闻！！让人看不下去，把咱们惹火了，还封了它！！！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:36:13 ) 18字 ( 0/66/1 )

BBC is really too much,even open a mandarin web page,and all the previous news are there to be seen!I can't take it anymore,once it upset us(read government),it will be blocked again!!!

# 你申办时候承诺要言论自由的. ( 一襟晚照 08-08-01 21:38:13 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )

In your application for the olympic you did promise freedom of speech.

238. 自从奥运火炬在国外遇阻后，海外网站就一直不好上了。 ( 余le25 08-08-01 21:35:37 ) 0字 ( 0/20/2 )

Ever since the olympic torch relay had troubles overseas,the foreign web sites were usually blocked.


# 用代理服务器看看 ( 60.20.43 08-08-01 21:51:37 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0 )

Try virtual server and have a look



239. 反动网站不是洪水猛兽嘛，上面那些反动信息，老夫拿来也是要分析一下的，不过受习惯影响，也总是反着来理解． ( 绿林好人 08-08-01 21:35:24 ) 0字 ( 0/20/0 )

Senile-minded web sites are no flood or wild beasts,all those reactionary messages,I usually analyze them first,but due to old habit,I end up reaching the conclusion at the opposite end of whatever they say.



强烈反对将自由亚洲电台的网站放出啦，矜持了这么多年，这下可全完了。。。哈哈哈哈哈哈。。。 ( 自卑的一美元 08-08-01 21:32:08 ) 0字 ( 0/98/2 )

Strongly oppose the release of Radio Free Asia's web site,so many years of pretending,it is all gone and finished....HAHAHAHAHAHA...

# 真放开了，惊叹 ( 零部件1 08-08-01 21:44:01 ) 0字 ( 0/6/1 )

Is it for real,what a supprise



258. 北京奥运与全球互联网 中华民族复兴的助推剂 ( 黄晨灏 08-08-01 21:32:01 ) 1769字 ( 0/13/0 )

Beijing olympic and global internet,Chung Hua nation revival helping force


. 休渔的时间结束了 大家出海吧 ( 道德人生 08-08-01 21:31:55 ) 14字 ( 0/13/0 )


The fishing embargo has ended,lets all go to the sea


262. 大家不用代理能进反动网站了？ ( 庄生&精卫 08-08-01 21:31:48 ) 0字 ( 0/54/3 )

Is it true we can enter senile-minded web sites without using virtual server?



# 谈不上反动(因为这些网站中也有夸奖我朝的文章),最多算异化吧 ( 老灰猫 08-08-01 21:34:38 ) 0字 ( 0/8/0 )

There is nothing reactionary about(those web sites also have articles praising our dynasty),at most it's a bit exotic.


# 是啊，昨天就能进了，是不是你被和谐了？？ ( 打了一针强心剂来上网 08-08-01 21:32:45 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )

Yes,can enter since yesterday,are you being harmonized?


BBC今晚是这样说的：国际媒体向罗格反应，他很生气，才会有今天万网齐开的局面 ( 我这块牛粪最大4k 08-08-01 21:26:51 ) 0字 ( 0/72/1 )


BBC announced tonight:International media reveal to Rogue(IOC chairman),he was very angry,resulting in today's open internet.


大哥，有人把自由亚洲之类的网站都放出来了，太可怕了！咱们一定要保护不明真相的群众，可不能中了它们的毒呀！ ( 五讲四美三热爱 08-08-01 21:21:19 ) 9字 ( 0/93/2 )

Big Brother,someone has released web sites such as Radio Free Asia,it is terrible! We must protect those mass who never know what is the truth,cannot let them be poisoned by Radio Free Asia !



# 全方也不怕。真金难道还怕火来炼吗？只要立足人民，真诚为人民解决好遇到的各种困难，有人民支持，全方也是不怕的 ( 晨风露 08-08-01 21:27:23 ) 0字 ( 0/2/0 )

Complete open of the internet,is nothing to be scared of.Has real gold ever afraid of fire? As long as we are on the people's side,truly and honestly solve all those problems faced by them,with the people's support,complete open of internet is nothing to be afraid of.



. 听说自由亚洲电台网站解封了, 刚试了一下,果然可以上了, 感觉太阳从西边出来了啊 ( 广州家伙 08-08-01 21:06:59 ) 0字 ( 0/265/1 )

I have heard Radio Free Asia was unblocked,just now I give it a try,indeed,I have succeeded to do so,feeling the sun have risen from the West,YA.....

# 文哥网也解封了？哈哈哈。。。。。。。。。。 ( 好兵衰客 08-08-01 21:09:41 ) 0字 ( 0/29/0 )

Even web site on Cultural Revolution has been unblocked? HAHAHA..........



开放反动网站，说明了中国领导人的自信。小左再也蒙蔽不了国人了。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:05:33 ) 0字 ( 0/98/3 )

The open up of the seniled-minded web sites,has clearly shown the self confidence of the Chinese leaders.Those little leftists can no longer keep us in the dark.


# 你是说有人不自信?哈哈哈 ( 龙哥0167 08-08-01 21:09:36 ) 0字 ( 0/3/0

Are you saying someone is lack of self confidence?


# 你不用代理能进什么敏感网站？擦鞋也要摆事实。 ( 【庄生】 08-08-01 21:08:47 ) 0字 ( 0/8/1 )

Without virtual server how can you go to any sensitive web sites?To lick boots you still need to present facts.


# 天啊，你太孤陋寡闻了，国家专门开放了三个反动网站。 ( 把大小非赶出A股 08-08-01 21:14:52 ) 0字 ( 0/23/0 )

Oh my heaven,you really are too isolated and ignorant,the state has specially opened up 3 seniled-minded web sites.


国际特赦组织的网站也解禁了，看来羊大人是厉害啊，羊大人的批评得罪不起(删？我有说错吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就这么快改正了？) ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 21:03:32 ) 0字 ( 0/55/0 )

Amnesty International's web site was also unblocked,looks like foregin daddy is all mighty,foreign daddy's criticism no one dare to disobey(delete? Have I said anything wrong?Why our own folk's criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner's criticism is fast being taken up and things got rectified real fast?)


同一个世界，同一个梦想，为什么不对中华民族也开放一下封锁了的网络呢？ ( 鲁迅二代 08-08-01 20:56:57 ) 0字 ( 0/34/0 )

Same world,Same dream,why can't Chung Hua nation has a opened internet?


这么多外国媒体挑剔北京，这是好事有则改之无则加勉，若没人挑剔说明没人当回事。中国媒体也应与时俱进，少些大惊小怪。 ( smxking 08-08-01 20:40:59 ) 0字 ( 0/38/3 )

So many foreign media picking on Beijing,it is a good thing,if really there is something wrong,we will rectify it,if nothing wrong,we are still happy,if no one ever pick on you,just shows that you are worthless to be even looked at.It is time for Chinese media to advance with time,instead of pussy-foot around.


# 舆论监督难道也要搞崇洋媚外吗？为什么国人的批评可以无视而羊人的批评就立马改正了呢？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 20:47:03 ) 0字 ( 0/19/2 )

Is media supervision from foreigners more valuable and important than supervision from our own self?
Why is it that our own folk's criticism can be ignored,whereas foreigner's criticisms are being rectified on the spot?


# 你说得对,情况确实如此. ( 廉彤 08-08-01 20:50:21 ) 0字 ( 0/0/0 )

What you said is correct,situation is in fact agrees wtih tou have said.


维基百科里面为什么其他都能搜索，陆4就不行？一搜索就被屏蔽？行得正难道还怕人说？ ( 普通百姓有话要说 08-08-01 16:41:11 ) 0字 ( 0/29/2 )

why is it that anything can be searched in Wikipedia,but not 4-June?Why 4-June still been blocked?If you did not do anything wrong,why so scared of others talking?

A post I cut n paste from www.boxun.com


饱醉豚 " full tummy n drunk dolphin' is a regular blogger on boxun.com.I like his style,precise,and neat.No beat around the bush.

饱醉豚：杨佳是英雄？是匪徒？还是罪犯？
饱醉豚说：都是
(博讯北京时间2008年7月18日 转载)
Is Yang Jia a hero? a mobster? or a criminal?
"full tummy n drunk dolphin' said " He is all of them."




杨佳是英雄。很多人都想做却没有胆量去做的事，他去做了。
Yang Jia is a hero.Many people would dream of doing,but didn't have the gut to carry out;Yang Jia just went and did it.

他替亿万人实现了夙愿。杨佳的行为，是符合大多数普通中国人的意愿和道德观的。
He had fullfilled the wish of hundreds of millions of Chinese.His conduct,is inline with the wish and desire of majority chinese folks,and is also within the morality of Chinese folks.
别人替你了却心愿，替你去死，这种豪侠，理所当然被国民看作英雄。

Yang Jia,a heroic gallant,who is willing to die for others,to turn other's pledge of heart into reality,naturally would be given a hero's status by every Chinese.


杨佳为什么是匪徒？他目无国法，滥杀无辜，破坏法治社会，导致政府的恐慌，这种人当然是匪徒。

Why is Yang Jia a mobster?He did not take any law into account,he murdered innocent people,he destroyed this society governed by law,he turned the government into a terrified state,he is of course a bandit,a mobster,no question asked.


杨佳是罪犯吗？当然，他杀人，按照中国法律，他是杀人犯。如果把杨佳看作一个叛乱者，用个人力量对抗政府暴力的只有一个人的军队，他犯了叛乱罪。

Is Yang Jia a criminal? Of course,he murdered someone,according to Chinese law,he is a muderer. If Yang Jia is classed as a rebell,as a one man army go against the violent force of the government,then he has commited treason.

所谓英雄、匪徒或罪犯，只是站在不同的角度。但是杨佳还是杨佳，他首先是一个极其认真的人，一个把尊严看得很重的人。杨佳杀人，追求的是人的尊严，一个普通人的尊严。

So call hero,bandit or criminal,are only interpretations from different angles.But Yang Jia being Yang Jia,first of all he is a very serious person, who values his dignity.What made him kill,is the pursuit of human's dignity,an ordinary folk's dignity.

贺龙杀人，毛泽东杀人，瞿秋白杀人，杀害的大多是平民而非警察。他们杀人的总数远远超过杨佳，暴虐的程度远远超过杨佳，杀人得民心的程度远远不如杨佳。 但是他们成功夺取了政权，就洗掉了匪徒和罪犯的恶名。

Her Long murdered human,Mao Tse-tung murdered human,Jeu Chiu-bai murdered human,most of the victims were civilians,not police.The total number of their victims are many times that of Yang Jia,the degree of ruthlessness and brutality is far too many times exceed that of Yang Jia.Though all were killers,Yang Jia won the hearts of the people,is very clear. And the biggest difference is,Her Long,Mao Tse-tung,Jeu Chiu-bai were sucessful to form a government,at the same time,sucessful to dip the evil of bandit and criminal under the water.

杨佳的失败，是没有成为有组织有实力的大规模杀人集团，没有能够夺取政权。

Yang Jia's failure,is he failed to form a well organized, powerful,big scale bloc of killers,he failed to take over the regime.

中国政府会不会杀杨佳？杀人很容易，失掉民心更容易。杀杨佳，就是杀出一个民族英雄做老百姓的心碑口碑。

Will Yang Jia be executed by the Chinese Government?It is easy to execute one person,it is much more easier to lose the heart of all the people.The execution of Yang Jia,will turn him into a national hero that stays in people's heart for ever.

不杀也很难。如果杨佳不杀，等于鼓励更多的杨佳起来抵抗被滥用的国家暴力，警察和政府官员个个岌岌可危。
It is not easy not to execute him either.If Yang Jia is pardoned,it will be seen as an encouragment for more Yang Jia to come forward,to fight against the abusive use of state violence,if that happens,all the police and bureucrates will be constant fear of losing their life.

杨佳用自己的行动创造了一个难题。倡导民主法制宪政的民主人士面对暴徒杨佳略显尴尬。政府机构对此事更是尴尬。但是大众不尴尬，他们说：杀！杀得好！

Yang Jia,through his action,has created a problem.Terrorist Yang Jia,presents a dilemma to advocates of democracy,law and order,and constitutional government.To the government,Yang Jia presents a even bigger dilemma.But to ordinary folks,there is only one verdict: He did a good job at the police complex.One bloody good job!


不用怀疑的是：杨佳事件毫无疑问会促进中国人权的改善，以后的警察对老百姓会更客气。警察的一大堆狗屁法规、狗屁誓言 oath、狗屁纪律 discipline，都不如杨佳一把刀管用。

Without doubt,Yang Jia's case will only inprove the human right's situation in China,from now on the police will show more kindness towards ordinary folks.

一个人用自己的生命去维护自己的尊严，用血换取社会的进步，这样的人不是英雄，谁是英雄？

英雄不是名字挂在纪念碑上的人，而是让人民想起来就热血沸腾的人。

『天涯杂谈』培养几个壮汉丝毫解决不了东亚病夫问题


作者：避而改词 提交日期：2008-7-15 9:37:00　　　　
　
Blog on Tianya.cn discuss olympic and "sicked man of Asia"　

　　那是七八年前的一个春天，我去丽江玩，在玉龙雪山的山腰，我们一行人租了几匹马骑。给我牵马的是一个小孩，很瘦小，“黑色”，才七八岁的样子。路上我和他攀谈，才惊诧他原来已经十五岁了。要在秦朝，这年龄就得扛着戈上战场。我好一阵震惊，问他可在念书。他说没钱念，可是很想念。我默然，因为那时我自己也是个穷鬼学生，帮不了他，除了付帐时多给他几十块，做不了什么。我问起他们以什么为主食，被告知是红薯。我道：“总不可能每顿红薯吧。”他说：“想得美，就算每顿吃红薯也不可能呢，山上寒冷，红薯产量极低，如果每顿能吃饱红薯，也心满意足了。”“也不是家家都这样的，我们村干部就还可以，他们家还有彩电呢。 ”见我惊诧，他补充了一句。
　　
It was Spring time,about 7 or 8 years ago,I went to Li Jiang to spend my holidays,at the half way up the Jade Dragon Snow Mountain,we hire a few horses to ride.The little boy that lead my horse was thin and small,with dark skin,looks like 7 or 8 years old.On the way we started talking,was surprised to know that he was already 15.In Chin dynasty,at this age,he would have been marching towards battle field with spear on his shoulder.Being shocked,I asked him was he studying.He said he would like to,but had no money.I fell into silence,because being a poor student myself,couldn't help much,beside gave him extra 50 60 yuan when paying the bill,can't do much.I asked what was the main diet,the answer was sweet potato.I thought: "Every meal sweet potato?A bit impossible."He replyed:"You must be dreaming,even if we like to have sweet potato for every meal,there was just not enough sweet potato to go around,because of the mountain's cold weather,the sweet potato production is very low,we would be happy and satisfied if there is plenty of sweet potato to fill the tummy at every meal."
　　
　　
　　中途休息，我见有一个小孩站在他身边，比他还矮半个头，看上去不过六岁。我问：“你几岁？”答曰：“十四。”真是可怕。我们乘坐的马租费是每个人五十元，可是这小孩说，马虽然是他家的，最后他只能拿到十块钱，其他四十元是要上交的，算村里收取的管理费。
　
At half way resting time,I saw another little boy stood beside him,even shorter than him by a few inches,looked like 6 years old.I asked; "How old are you?"He replied: "14". I feel terrible.We were charged 50 yuan for each horse we hired,but this little boy said,even though his family own the horse,at the end he only get 10 yuan,the other 40 yuan goes toward the village's authority,called managment charges.　
　　　　
　　
　　最后我逐渐不那么吃惊了，中国就是这样，当大山深处的同胞虚弱不胜鹑衣之时，我们早已喜滋滋地宣布，我们不再是东亚病夫，而是一个体育强国；当我们在城里的学生们围在电视机前，汗流浃背地为所谓冲出亚洲嗥叫之时，他们正在油灯下嚼着冰冷的红薯；当我们在为所谓球赛失利砸烂电视机时，他们有些人还不知足球和电视为何物；当我们投入大量纳税人的钱去维持那个体育强国的泡影时，他们这些被天生剥夺了发言权的人民同时丧失了受教育权，因为交不起学费…… 　　
　　
At the end,slowly,I no longer feel surprised,China is just like that,in the middle of the mountain,our fellow countrymen are weak from hunger and with only rags on their bodies,we joyfully declare,we no longe are "sicked man of Asia",instead,we are a powerful nation of sports;In front of television sets,our students in towns and cities,howling for the nation to "Out Of Asia",the mountain people,can only chew cold sweet potato under oil lamp;when we smash television sets because of losing soccer match,the mountain people don't even know what is soccer nor television;when massive taxpayers's money is pumped into sustaining this so called powerful sporting nation's bubble,these people,their voice being taken away at birth,at th same time,lost the right of education,because they have no money to pay the fees.　　　　
　　
　　回想几年前的这件事，让我知道，中国仍然是东亚病夫，而且这头衔还要保持很长一段时间，用专门培养几个壮汉的大跃进的方法解决不了。
　　
Because of this incidence,my conclusion is,China remains "Sicked Man Of Asia",moreover,this title will stay for a long time,just to nurture and produce a numbers of "macho man",like they did at the "Great Leap Forward",will not help.


作者：李信吾　回复日期：2008-7-15　9:56:14　

　　很好!
　　
　　中国人其实就是自卑,特别自卑,越是自卑越是希望得到别人的承认,表面上特别的自负自大,容不得批评和异见,其实就是阿Q精神,心理病态.这种病态也反映在体育上,对金牌的狂热崇拜,完全看不到其他.

Netizen 1 reply:
Very good!
In fact,Chinese is all about inferior complex,deep and profound,the more the feeling of inferiority,the stronger the desire of being accepted and recognized by outsiders,on the surface,Chinese are especially self-important and self-inflat,do not accepy criticism and different opinions,infact it is the "Spirit Of Ah Q",psycho sickness,this sickness is also reflected on sports,the feverish worshipping towards gold medals,and complete ignoring of all others.

作者：墨手　回复日期：2008-7-15　10:12:48　

　　我们还TMD是睡狮呢,也不知道这么多年睡够了没

作者：att100　回复日期：2008-7-15　10:13:36　

　　为了虚荣，假装狂热而痛苦地挤在人群中随喜
　　
　　
　　哈哈，其实大家都在随喜

Netizen 2 reply:
We TMD still are sleeping lions,and do not know so many years,has slept enough or not

Netizen 3 reply:
For this fake glory,pretain to be fanatic but painfully squeezd among the crowd pretain to be happy.
HAHA,in fact every one is pretain to be happy.


作者：aigyvfym　回复日期：2008-7-15　11:10:31　

　　奥运金牌全拿了也是病夫一大片(精神上的 身体上的)
　　
　　以全国之力，养几个金牌。
　　
　　没有老百姓什么事哦。
　　

作者：无雨天霜　回复日期：2008-7-15　11:12:26　

　　哎，中国那方面搞的不是形象工程呢？
　　从毛泽东那个国内饿死人却拿大把钱物去救济非洲的时代开始就种下了根。
　　这种作风已经深入骨髓，无处不在，要扭转，恐怕只有……

Netizen 4 reply:
Lets say we get all the gold medals,still have massive numbers of "Sicked Man",both in spritual and physical sense.
To use the whole country's resourses,to nurture a few gold medals.
Got nothing to do with us common folks.

Netizen 5 replay:
Well,is there anything CHINA does, not about window dressing?
The root of evil was planted in Mao tse-tung era,when common folks were starved to death,yet massive amount of cash and resourses were shipped to Africa.
This kind of practise is deep in the bone mellow,is everywhere,to reverse it,there is only one way...............

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强国论坛 Strong nation forum

I have cut n paste the following post on one adaptation of one of the most (if not the most) famous aminland chinese song: The East is Red.
I think it got to do with Beijing's Bird's Nest.
I may be guessing,but I think I am right.


歌唱：“东方红，太阳升”！ ( 摸摸师头过河 08-07-26 21:45:04 )

Song:The east is red,sun has risen.

# 唱: 东方红，太阳升，哥哥出门我不放心，老天爷爷你生善心，呼儿嗨哟，下场大雨哥哥停一停。 ( 资深潜水者 08-07-26 21:50:56 )

To sing: The east is red,sun has risen,big brother you go out of the door I am worried,SKY you old grandpa please have a good heart,hu-er-hai-yo,give us a heavy rain to stop my big brother.

Hint: 8-august Olympic opening ceremony.